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	<title>Comments on: More &#8220;A, B, C&#8221; Title Discussion; ADV &#8220;Ready for Bear&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: Avatar_exADV</title>
		<link>http://www.nigorimasen.com/2007/06/30/more-a-b-c-title-discussion-adv-ready-for-bear/#comment-2423</link>
		<dc:creator>Avatar_exADV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 05:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s no cases where 50% of fansub viewers buy. Not -one-. ;p&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is there a substitution effect? Heck yes. Nobody buys all the shows they watch fansubbed. People are going to gravitate towards the shows they really enjoyed, and not buy the ones that they didn&#039;t enjoy. This isn&#039;t a surprise to anybody.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But part of the beneficial effect is redundant. If a show&#039;s a really good show in a genre you generally enjoy, watching the fansub isn&#039;t necessarily instrumental to your purchase of the show. You don&#039;t have to have watched all of Eva to hear that Eva was pretty good! Indeed, there are all sorts of reviews and previews and what have you, specifically oriented to giving people an idea of how good a given show is; your strong players don&#039;t need the extra support, because they&#039;re strong players.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the harm it does to relatively weaker players is pretty large. These aren&#039;t necessarily lousy shows! But for a lot of shows, once you&#039;ve watched it, you&#039;ve extracted a lot of the entertainment value out of the show - just like reading a detective novel, &quot;whodunit&quot; only works once. In an environment where you&#039;re watching everything on fansubs as it comes out, though, the value for those shows for you takes a big hit - you&#039;ve already got the entertainment out of it, so you&#039;re not nearly as likely to purchase, even though you might have purchased and enjoyed the show if you hadn&#039;t already watched the whole thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those are precisely the shows that operate on smaller margins to begin with, so the damage that it does to them is proportionately greater. An extra thousand people buying Azumanga isn&#039;t going to make or break that show, but there are plenty of niche titles where that&#039;s the difference between a bit of profit and a big loss.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no cases where 50% of fansub viewers buy. Not -one-. ;p</p>
<p>Is there a substitution effect? Heck yes. Nobody buys all the shows they watch fansubbed. People are going to gravitate towards the shows they really enjoyed, and not buy the ones that they didn&#8217;t enjoy. This isn&#8217;t a surprise to anybody.</p>
<p>But part of the beneficial effect is redundant. If a show&#8217;s a really good show in a genre you generally enjoy, watching the fansub isn&#8217;t necessarily instrumental to your purchase of the show. You don&#8217;t have to have watched all of Eva to hear that Eva was pretty good! Indeed, there are all sorts of reviews and previews and what have you, specifically oriented to giving people an idea of how good a given show is; your strong players don&#8217;t need the extra support, because they&#8217;re strong players.</p>
<p>But the harm it does to relatively weaker players is pretty large. These aren&#8217;t necessarily lousy shows! But for a lot of shows, once you&#8217;ve watched it, you&#8217;ve extracted a lot of the entertainment value out of the show &#8211; just like reading a detective novel, &#8220;whodunit&#8221; only works once. In an environment where you&#8217;re watching everything on fansubs as it comes out, though, the value for those shows for you takes a big hit &#8211; you&#8217;ve already got the entertainment out of it, so you&#8217;re not nearly as likely to purchase, even though you might have purchased and enjoyed the show if you hadn&#8217;t already watched the whole thing.</p>
<p>Those are precisely the shows that operate on smaller margins to begin with, so the damage that it does to them is proportionately greater. An extra thousand people buying Azumanga isn&#8217;t going to make or break that show, but there are plenty of niche titles where that&#8217;s the difference between a bit of profit and a big loss.</p>
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		<title>By: omo</title>
		<link>http://www.nigorimasen.com/2007/06/30/more-a-b-c-title-discussion-adv-ready-for-bear/#comment-2409</link>
		<dc:creator>omo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I like his little plea, because it&#039;s honest. The jist of it, IMO, is what I noted below:

1) you NEED fansubs to promote the less mainstream titles, that&#039;s how people fall in love with those titles in the first place. John implicitly recognizes this.

2) but invariably these small fry fans (I put myself squarely in this category) have to step up to the plate and buy. It&#039;s ok if only 50% of Naruto fansub viewers buy (I just made up the number), because that&#039;s 50% of &lt;i&gt;a lot&lt;/i&gt;. But if only 50% of Simoun fansub viewers buy, that&#039;s hardly any sales.

3) In that way, John&#039;s plea chickens out by asking fans to do what fans do. Depends on who you ask, you get different definitions of how a fan should act. But yea yea it&#039;s a pride thing, partly. I don&#039;t look down at fans of anime who don&#039;t own anything legit, but they should all know they suck more than people who buy the legit releases. ;)

And LOL @ Le Chevalier D’eon. I sure won&#039;t be buying that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I like his little plea, because it&#8217;s honest. The jist of it, IMO, is what I noted below:</p>
<p>1) you NEED fansubs to promote the less mainstream titles, that&#8217;s how people fall in love with those titles in the first place. John implicitly recognizes this.</p>
<p>2) but invariably these small fry fans (I put myself squarely in this category) have to step up to the plate and buy. It&#8217;s ok if only 50% of Naruto fansub viewers buy (I just made up the number), because that&#8217;s 50% of <i>a lot</i>. But if only 50% of Simoun fansub viewers buy, that&#8217;s hardly any sales.</p>
<p>3) In that way, John&#8217;s plea chickens out by asking fans to do what fans do. Depends on who you ask, you get different definitions of how a fan should act. But yea yea it&#8217;s a pride thing, partly. I don&#8217;t look down at fans of anime who don&#8217;t own anything legit, but they should all know they suck more than people who buy the legit releases. ;)</p>
<p>And LOL @ Le Chevalier D’eon. I sure won&#8217;t be buying that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Karura</title>
		<link>http://www.nigorimasen.com/2007/06/30/more-a-b-c-title-discussion-adv-ready-for-bear/#comment-2406</link>
		<dc:creator>Karura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t really blame customers for selectively buying anime- personally, I purchase what I think I&#039;m going to enjoy and would want to watch again (although given my tastes that doesn&#039;t necessarily mean they would all be &#039;A&#039; series). I&#039;m not going to buy any old crap just because it&#039;s anime- for one thing, I&#039;m already spending as much as I can afford on the habit. Yes, I may rent or &#039;acquire&#039; a series I wouldn&#039;t want to buy, but if I couldn&#039;t do that I just wouldn&#039;t watch it, since it wouldn&#039;t be within my budget to pay for that on top.

Or in short, while I do care about the state of licensing, it has to come second to keeping an eye on the bank balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t really blame customers for selectively buying anime- personally, I purchase what I think I&#8217;m going to enjoy and would want to watch again (although given my tastes that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean they would all be &#8216;A&#8217; series). I&#8217;m not going to buy any old crap just because it&#8217;s anime- for one thing, I&#8217;m already spending as much as I can afford on the habit. Yes, I may rent or &#8216;acquire&#8217; a series I wouldn&#8217;t want to buy, but if I couldn&#8217;t do that I just wouldn&#8217;t watch it, since it wouldn&#8217;t be within my budget to pay for that on top.</p>
<p>Or in short, while I do care about the state of licensing, it has to come second to keeping an eye on the bank balance.</p>
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